» posted on 2:49pm - January 13 2009 | posted by Lev
The video shows a protest outside someone's apartment in Germany, over someone who hung an Israeli flag inside their own residence in the Window, before it was forcefully removed.
Am I the only one just *a little* bit disturbed by this?
Why is it socially accepted and politically correct to hate Jews in Europe? Why is it that our so-called secular societies are bending to the whim of Islamic hate mongers? When are more people going to take a stand up to this religion of intolerance by declaring it has no place in a tolerant and secular society that is based around understanding, freedom and human rights?
Why do I seem to be one of the only people bothered by the fact that each and every day Islam seems to marginalize so many of the freedoms we've fought so long and hard to attain?
» posted by: Lev · date: 10:50am - January 20 2009
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Wow... You're either not very good at paying attention to what other people say, you aren't capable of understanding the intended message, or you simply hear what you want to hear.
Since you seem to read what you want to read, and since you discuss what other people aren't discussing, I've taken the liberty of emphasizing the terms that your attention should be drawn to.
So genius, is this to say that all Italian people identifies with Italy and that all black people identify with Africa?
No. I didn't suggest that, nor imply it. We are talking about a Jewish state, or in reality the only Jewish state. You are talking about countries and nationalities, and I am referring to religious identity.
I said that many Jews (not all, but a large percentage) identify with the state of Israel, and this was said simply to illustrate that the issue at hand was far more complex than mere political policy.
Much in the same way that most Muslims admit to identifying with Palestine, many Jews identify with the state of Israel. In fact, it is probably more so amongst the Jewish community because Israel is the only Jewish state, whereas there are numerous Islamic states.
and if this is the case then should I punish Italians in America and boycott their shops because people in Italy are boycotting Jewish shops? Huh? Are you fuckin serious.
I don't identify with Israel cause I don't live in Israel. if your German and you lived in the US in 1933 is the Holocaust your fault?
What you are talking about here is something I never even dabbled with or insinuated. You are obviously referring to what is accountability, where as I was simply referring to identity. I never once said, or suggested, that an individual should be held accountable for what a larger body does. This is accountability, and your comments really seem to put words in my mouth and neglect what I was actually saying. No, some German who lived in the US during the Holocaust during 1933 is not responsible for the holocaust. Again, this is accountability, and something you, yourself alone, brought up. I was discussing identity with a religious state, and you seem to have completely distorted what I was talking about.
According to your genius thoughts and everyone in Europe's yes, yes it is.
So not only are you now putting words in my mouth, but you're stereotyping the whole continent to think the same as myself?
Again, I never said anything like this: you did! I was discussing how many Jews identify with Israel and how the issue at hand was more than politically motivated and how it was religiously motivated.
Everything about accountability that has been said has come straight from your mouth, as I was only discussing religious identity through a religious state.
Oh and this, yes the US is soooo bad, but foreigners keep moving here to escape their other shitty countries and you know what, we're more racially tolerant than most countries. Atleast we don't throw bananas at black people during soccer games and atleast no one is fire bombing Jewish stores(Britain, France).
I am still trying to understand how in any way this is relevant to what Necromaster originally said about the US's history of starting wars and human rights violations. Opportunity is very different from foreign policy. Once again, you've either read what you wanted to read, or you aren't capable of providing any relevant and rational thought on what was actually discussed, so you strayed off on an unrelated tangent.
No one has even debated whether or not America is a country of opportunity here (well, besides from you - once again). What Necromaster said was very clear:
A country that is as bad as the US and Nazi Germany when it comes to human rights and starting wars.
A few simple google searches on "US human rights violations" will unearth a multitude of violations the US has committed, and continues to commit.
A few simple google searches on "US unsanctioned wars" will find just as many wars which, by the global bodies and the global community, were not justified.
If you're going to have the nerve to talk down to someone by sarcastically calling them "genius", the least you could do is stay remotely on topic and discuss what is being discussed instead of ranting on about unrelated issues that had no presence in the discussion to begin with.
~~~~~~~~~~ "In a soldier's stance, I aimed my hand, at the mongrel dogs who teach, fearing not I'd become my enemy, in the instant that I preach. My existence led by confusion boats, mutiny from stern to bow. Ah, but I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now." - Bob Dylan
Yes, it's true that the Israeli flag represents a piece of land, but at the same time it cannot be denied that virtually every Jew alive admits to personally identifying with the nation
So genius, is this to say that all Italian people identifies with Italy and that all black people identify with Africa? and if this is the case then should I punish Italians in America and boycott their shops because people in Italy are boycotting Jewish shops? Huh? Are you fuckin serious.
I don't identify with Israel cause I don't live in Israel. if your German and you lived in the US in 1933 is the Holocaust your fault? According to your genius thoughts and everyone in Europe's yes, yes it is.
A country that is as bad as the US and Nazi Germany when it comes to human rights and starting wars.
Oh and this, yes the US is soooo bad, but foreigners keep moving here to escape their other shitty countries and you know what, we're more racially tolerant than most countries. Atleast we don't throw bananas at black people during soccer games and atleast no one is fire bombing Jewish stores(Britain, France).
» posted by: Lev · date: 12:15pm - January 18 2009
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quoting Necromaster:
Here in Quebec i think it is illegal to hang or display an flag that is not Canadian or Provincial. Though is inst enforced very often. One case of a guy painting an Italian or Greek flag on his garage door resulted in the city forcing him to paint over it.
Damn, that's unbelievable... While I'm probably the last person to fly a flag, the right to fly whichever flag you choose should be an undeniable right.
The Israeli flag does not represent all Jews. It represents a country.
Well, I both agree and disagree with this. Yes, it's true that the Israeli flag represents a piece of land, but at the same time it cannot be denied that virtually every Jew alive admits to personally identifying with the nation. In fact, I believe it was Einstein who said, "Hitler was right about one thing: we are a race". That's where part of the issue becomes a bit hazy, as Judaism is much like Islam in that it is not only a religion, but an social code and national identity.
Part of the reason I disagree with this is because the issue itself is not really over the flag of Israel, but over the Jewish people in general. I've known lots and lots of Muslims since living over here and one thing that became very clear was that their hate seems to be projected towards the Jewish people and the religion itself and not solely upon the nation of Israel. In fact, much of their doctrine revolves around Jew-hating. Come to think of it, I remember reading an article in a Swedish newspaper some five years ago that stated that the number one book in circulation amongst the Muslim community (in some specific areas, I assume) was not the Koran, but Mein Kampf. So I think that simply labeling the issue as political is a more simplistic look at the actual sentiments being held by many of these people. Granted, much of their feelings towards the Jewish people in general does very well come from a nation that identifies itself with those same people, it is foolish and unfair to ignore the fact that the Koran is ridden with antisemitic messages and passages.
A country that is as bad as the US and Nazi Germany when it comes to human rights and starting wars.
Agreed. But, again much of the emotion revolves more around the religion itself (at least in Europe) than the nation of Israel. There is a really creepy and disturbing vibe you feel over here towards a Jew; not merely on the basis of their homeland or on the basis of that which they identify with, but simply on the basis of who they are.
I certainly don't advocate, nor condone, antisemitism, but to fail to notice how it seems to follow the Islamic people like a shadow is unmistakable.
Fuck Israel. And fuck Religion. Jewish, Christian, and Muslim.
Again: agreed. But here is where my gripe with this lies. To me it's not a matter of knowing simply that these people are causing the world more harm than good; instead it's an issue of personal freedom to identify with whatever nation, religion or moral code you choose to. I despise every religion there is probably more than most people in this world, but at the same time I think it's incredibly important to remain tolerant to respecting these people in an effort to strive to never be like them.
~~~~~~~~~~ "In a soldier's stance, I aimed my hand, at the mongrel dogs who teach, fearing not I'd become my enemy, in the instant that I preach. My existence led by confusion boats, mutiny from stern to bow. Ah, but I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now." - Bob Dylan
Here in Quebec i think it is illegal to hang or display an flag that is not Canadian or Provincial. Though is inst enforced very often. One case of a guy painting an Italian or Greek flag on his garage door resulted in the city forcing him to paint over it.
The Israeli flag does not represent all Jews. It represents a country. A country that is as bad as the US and Nazi Germany when it comes to human rights and starting wars.
Fuck Israel. And fuck Religion. Jewish, Christian, and Muslim.
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What the fuck? It's really scary to see the sides that the police seem to take in Germany. During nazi marches, it's the anti-nazi demonstrators that get arrested and here in an obviously out of hand anti-Israel demonstration, it's a private citizen. In the US, the police would have some serious problems for doing that, but I guess they get away with their fair share here to. This makes me think twice about moving to Germany...Especially because I'm Jewish and i would freak shit if they did that to me.
Lev (10:50am): speaking of movies though.. anyone ever seen "cannabil holocaust"? was reading on a few serial killers yesterday, then reading into snuff films, and this title came up.. i'm starting to watch it now, but im curious if anyone else has seen it or what they think of it Lev (10:49am): it's crazy.. if that's the sorta stuff that's popular amongst newage goth, emo and alternative kiddies, then i am so far out of touch its unthinkable to me Britt (9:35am): bahaha. i just got my sister to watch twilight. Nemo Metis (5:01pm): ttfn belangaria (5:00pm): ttfn] belangaria (5:00pm): highly exciting Nemo Metis (4:59pm): lol, fiary nuff belangaria (4:59pm): child related stuff belangaria (4:59pm): will catch you another time Nemo Metis (4:59pm): so what you up to the rest of the day hun?
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